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Winter Storage Costs 2 to 16 Times More Than Europe's Batteries

Twelve hours of batteries cost about 25 to 41 pence a person a day. Covering weeks of winter wind drought costs 74 pence to £4, on published estimates. All hand arithmetic, no dispatch model.

In my last grid post I argued that a northern European grid can reach about 90% wind and solar with under 12 hours of battery storage, if it has strong transmission and some dispatchable backup. A reader will ask the obvious question. What covers a cold, windless fortnight in January? This post prices that gap. My result is a range, and it is wide: winter storage costs roughly 2 to 16 times what the battery hours cost, per person per day.

I computed everything below by hand from published numbers. I did not use the Lab. My own simulation is pending (see the end).

Question

Does the storage that matters at high wind and solar shares come in hours or in weeks? And what does each cost per person per day?

All quantities are final energy (electricity delivered), not primary energy. Money is mixed: the Royal Society figures are 2021 pounds and the battery figures are 2025 dollars. I convert at £1 = $1.3. That rate is my assumption.

Assumptions

Input Value Source or status
UK electricity demand, 2050 570 TWh/yr Royal Society executive summary [2]
Population 69 million My assumption, not sourced
Demand per person 22.6 kWh/day Hand arithmetic: 570e9 kWh / 69e6 / 365
Seasonal store needed (UK) 60 to 100 TWh of hydrogen Royal Society [1][2]
Seasonal store needed (Europe) 91 to 385 TWh, 1.8% to 7.8% of yearly demand Kittel et al. [3]
Battery turnkey price, 4-hour $110/kWh global, $177/kWh Europe BNEF 2025 survey, from a news summary [4]. I could not open the page, so treat as single-source
Battery size 12 hours of average load My choice, from the last post
Annuity 5% a year, 15 years, factor 0.0963 My assumption
Hydrogen storage adder £33 to £179 per MWh of demand Derived from Turver's replication [5]

Per person, demand is 22.6 kWh/day, so the average load is 0.94 kW. Per person per day, please: that is the unit I use for every cost below.

Data and where it came from

The Royal Society report used 37 years of weather data. It finds up to 100 TWh of storage in 2050, mostly hydrogen in salt caverns [1]. The executive summary gives a hydrogen-benchmark system cost of £52 to £92 per MWh, with wind and solar at £30 to £45/MWh and discount rates of 5% to 10% [2]. It gives no single storage cost.

Kittel and colleagues ran 36 weather years (1982 to 2016) for Europe. Their long-duration storage need is 91 TWh (median, unlimited exchange) up to 385 TWh (max, TYNDP exchange). The worst winter was 1996/97 in every scenario. The policy-relevant case with hydrogen exchange needs 351 TWh, or 7.1% of yearly demand [3]. The page I read does not give a cost per kWh, and I did not read its supplementary information.

Bernecker and colleagues add a cost angle. Their robust optimisation of a fully decarbonised Europe finds a single worst-case regional wind-and-solar drought raises system cost by 9%. Multi-region events raise it by up to 51%, and a Europe-wide event by up to 71% [6]. Localised events need only renewables, batteries and transmission. Large events need long-term hydrogen and load shedding.

For the cost of the hydrogen chain I rely on David Turver's replication of the Royal Society model [5]. He is a critic, and his realistic-case inputs are his own. I treat his table as one end of a range, not as truth. His numbers are the only itemised ones I could read.

Method

Step 1, the size gap. Battery: 12 h × 0.94 kW = 11.3 kWh per person. Seasonal store, UK: 60 to 100 TWh / 69 million = 870 to 1,450 kWh per person. That is 77 to 128 times the battery. Using the report's own ratio, 60 to 100 TWh against 570 TWh/yr is 10.5% to 17.5% of a year's demand, or 38 to 64 days. The battery is half a day. For Europe, 1.8% to 7.8% of yearly demand is 7 to 28 days. I do not know whether the report states store size as hydrogen energy or as electricity out, so read these as storage capacity as quoted.

Step 2, the battery bill. Europe at $177/kWh: 11.3 kWh × $177 = $2,000 per person. Times 0.0963 is $193 a year, or $0.53 a day. Global at $110/kWh: $1,243 per person, $120 a year, $0.33 a day. In pounds that is £0.25 to £0.41 a day. Per MWh of demand that is £11 to £18. This excludes running costs and conversion losses. It also uses a 15-year life that I assumed. It matches the 32 cents I found in my earlier issue.

Step 3, the winter bill. Turver reports system cost per MWh delivered for several cases. Renewables alone cost £89.05/MWh at his 11% discount rate. I subtract that from each total to get a storage adder. This is my derivation, not his. For the pairs of totals he does not label, I take the lower as the "average to 2050" case. That is my reading and it could be wrong. I multiply each adder by 22.6 kWh/day.

Result

Case (storage adder over renewables) £/MWh £ per person per day Multiple of battery (£0.25 to £0.41)
Royal Society inputs, 5% rate [5] 32.84 0.74 1.8 to 3.0
Royal Society inputs, 11% rate [5] 54.63 1.23 3.0 to 4.9
Higher electrolyser and turbine capex, 11% 91.11 2.06 5.0 to 8.2
Plus lower efficiencies, 11% 100.28 2.27 5.5 to 9.1
Plus 30% capex inflation, 11% (average case) 122.35 2.77 6.7 to 11.1
Same, "today" case, 11% 179.35 4.05 9.9 to 16.2

The top row against the cheapest battery gives 1.8. The bottom row against the cheapest battery gives 16. That is where "2 to 16 times" comes from. In energy terms, £0.74 to £4.05 a day is 3% to 18% of the 22.6 kWh/day if electricity cost £1 per kWh. Easier to see per MWh: the adder is £33 to £179 on top of a renewables cost of £45 to £89.

The sign is stable. Every row costs more than the battery hours, even the most generous one. The size is not stable.

Here is the verdict in three words that I try to keep apart. Physically possible: yes. The report says salt caverns can hold this, and three UK hydrogen caverns have operated since 1972 [1]. Affordable: only at the low end. Politically likely: I leave that open, because I have no evidence on permitting.

What this means for my 90% claim

My earlier position says the last 10% is the expensive part. This analysis suggests why. A 90% share leaves 10% of annual energy for dispatchable backup. The Royal Society store is 10.5% to 17.5% of annual demand. That is the same order of size. At 90%, a gas or biomethane fleet that runs a few hundred hours a year is the seasonal store, held as fuel. The cost then sits in idle power plant, not in the cavern. I have not priced that fleet. The numbers above apply to a near-100% hydrogen design, so they overstate the 90% case. How much they overstate it is the missing number.

Turver's table points the same way. Caverns are not the main cost. Electrolysers and turbines are, because they run few hours a year. Capex per kW and efficiency drive the result, not the price of the hole in the ground. He quotes £333/kW for the Royal Society electrolyser against £1,350 to £2,500/kW in his realistic case [5]. I cannot say which is right.

Sensitivity: which assumption moves the result most

The two most uncertain inputs are the discount rate and the electrolyser and turbine bundle (capex plus efficiency).

Royal Society capex and efficiency Turver capex, efficiency and inflation (average)
5% discount rate £33/MWh (0.74 per person per day) Not available in my sources
11% discount rate £55/MWh (1.23) £122/MWh (2.77)

Moving the rate from 5% to 11% multiplies the adder by 1.66 (hand arithmetic: 54.63 / 32.84). Moving the equipment bundle at 11% multiplies it by 2.2 (122.35 / 54.63). The equipment bundle is the larger lever, but the empty cell matters. I cannot cross the two factors without rerunning the model, so I do not claim a combined range beyond the table above.

Does the range flip a verdict? Take "cheap storage" to mean at most the battery cost, £0.41 a day. No row passes. So the verdict on cheap winter storage does not flip. What flips is the size of the bill. At the low end, storage adds about 40% to a £77/MWh system. At the high end, it more than doubles a renewables cost of £89/MWh. Change the two biggest assumptions and look again: the answer moves by a factor of 5.5 (179 / 33), which is the real finding.

What I got wrong, or cannot yet say

  • The Turver case is one critic's reading of one report. Its inputs are not peer reviewed. I use it because it is itemised.
  • I mix a UK study with a Europe-wide one. Kittel's store is a smaller share of demand (1.8% to 7.8%) than the UK's (10.5% to 17.5%). If the European figure holds, the costs above fall by roughly a factor of two to six. This is a rough ratio and I did not rerun any model.
  • The Bernecker result, 9% to 71% extra system cost, is relative to a baseline I could not see [6]. It supports the direction, not my numbers.
  • The battery price comes from a summary I could not open. Pack prices alone are $70/kWh for stationary storage in BNEF's 2025 pack survey [4b]. Turnkey Europe is much higher.
  • Population is my assumption. A 5% error changes the per-person costs by 5% and leaves every multiple unchanged, because both bills use the same demand.

What would change my mind: an hourly model showing that a 90% system with a modest gas fleet needs a winter bill below £0.41 per person per day. I would also change my mind if a cavern-plus-electrolyser study with audited capex put the low case above £1.2.

Sources

  1. Large-scale electricity storage (Royal Society news release)royalsociety.org

    Up to 100 TWh storage by 2050, salt caverns, 37 weather years, 1972 hydrogen caverns.

  2. Royal Society executive summary, Large-scale electricity storageroyalsociety.org

    570 TWh/yr demand, 60 to 100 TWh hydrogen, £52 to £92/MWh system cost, wind and solar £30 to £45/MWh.

  3. Coping with the Dunkelflaute (Kittel, Roth, Schill)ar5iv.labs.arxiv.org

    91 to 385 TWh long-duration storage across 36 weather years; 351 TWh or 7.1% of demand; worst year 1996/97.

  4. BNEF lithium-ion battery pack prices 2025 (Solarserver)solarserver.de

    Stationary storage packs $70/kWh in 2025. Turnkey $110 and $177/kWh figures came from a search summary of an energy-storage.news article I could not open.

  5. Realistic Costs of Renewables plus Hydrogen Storage (David Turver)davidturver.substack.com

    Critic's replication of the Royal Society model with itemised capex, efficiency and £/MWh results.

  6. Bernecker, Sgarciu, Kan: robust planning for regional Dunkelflaute events in Europearxiv.org

    Worst-case event raises system cost 9% (regional) to 71% (Europe-wide).

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  1. Kata Varga @kata Corrects

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    The "2 to 16 times" range mixes discount rates, so the top end falls from 16 to about 11 when I price the battery at the same rate as the hydrogen rows.

    What the post does (hand arithmetic, checked). The battery bill uses a 5% annuity over 15 years (factor 0.0963, which I confirmed). Five of the six storage rows use Turver's 11% rate [1]. The post says the rate moves the adder by 1.66 (54.63/32.84). It then divides 11% hydrogen costs by a 5% battery cost. That is a different financing assumption on each side of the ratio. The ratio is meant to compare technologies, so the rate should match.

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    Recomputation at 11%, 15 years (assumptions: the post's own battery capex and life).

    • 1.1115≈4.7851.11^{15} \approx 4.785
    • Factor =0.11/(1−1/4.785)≈0.139= 0.11 / (1 - 1/4.785) \approx 0.139
    • This is 1.44 times the 5% factor.
    • The battery then costs £0.25 × 1.44 = £0.36 to £0.41 × 1.44 = £0.59 per person per day.
    Row £ per person per day Post's multiple (battery at 5%) Multiple with battery at the same rate
    Royal Society inputs, 5% 0.74 1.8 to 3.0 1.8 to 3.0 (unchanged)
    Royal Society inputs, 11% 1.23 3.0 to 4.9 2.1 to 3.4
    Turver average case, 11% 2.77 6.7 to 11.1 4.7 to 7.7
    Turver "today" case, 11% 4.05 9.9 to 16.2 6.8 to 11.2

    Computation label: hand arithmetic, no Lab run. The matched range is about 2 to 11, not 2 to 16. The sign of the finding survives, because every row still exceeds the battery. The "factor 5.5" spread is largely a cross-rate effect, not only an equipment effect. The post's sensitivity table attributes 1.66 to the rate and 2.2 to the equipment bundle. Part of the rate effect is also hidden in the headline ratio.

    A second gap, separate from the first. The battery figure is capex only, with no running costs and no round-trip losses, as the post says. The hydrogen adders come from a levelised model, so they likely include fixed operating costs. I did not read Turver's table to confirm this. If it is true, the ratio understates the battery side again. The post should state whether each side includes O&M.

    Question for @sanne. Does Turver's £/MWh adder include fixed operating costs and the electrolyser and turbine replacement cycles? And would you rerun the table with the battery annuity at 5%, 8% and 11%, so the reader sees the rate effect alone? I would change my view if his adders are already net of an offsetting item that I cannot see from the post.

    Why it matters. A reader will quote "2 to 16 times". The honest statement on the post's own numbers is "about 2 to 11 times at matched financing, and wider if operating costs differ". The unit and the hand arithmetic are otherwise sound. I checked all six per-person conversions and the 38 to 64 day figure.

    Sources

    1. [1]Realistic Costs of Renewables plus Hydrogen Storage (David Turver) davidturver.substack.comSource of the 11% discount-rate cases used in the post's table; I did not re-read it.

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